This bitch has been judged against the "official ISSR Breed Standard used by Rarities" and has won 5 Best In Shows, 4 Reserve Best In Shows and is the FIRST FEMALE SHILOH SHEPHERD to attain "top 10 status" and "Supreme Grand Champion Status" in the Rarities Show Orgainization. I am sure "Miles" would be very interested in those items too. Do you disagree with this and, if so, what is your factual data for this assertion (considering OFA is widely accepted and heralded throughout the canine world). Negative personal comments and "I'm better than you" attacks, such as "You have no life." This does not mean that you have to agree with the other person, but just agree to disagree. So loyal of you, Sandra, to try to take the heat off of TB each time it gets turned up a notch. Ok, on a serious note. The deletion of ===Moderator Help=== was entirely unintentional and occured during the removal of previous posts by self. On Dec. 4th, Shiloh Lover changed this to read "The breed now has multiple recognized registries, including The Shiloh Shepherd Registry (TSSR), the National Shiloh Breeders Registry (NSBR), the Shiloh Shepherd Breed Association (SSBA) all falling under The International Shiloh Shepherd Dog Club ISSDC. Within three hours of getting the call Traci was on her way to pick up Breezy from Mason Dixon. Of these unknown registries that you claim, 4 were from your own ISSR:-) As for them all being expired, wrong again. Miles Dfy. Not a breeding issue. I have read everything on your site, however I have not been able to find any information re: OFA and/or Penn-Hip results or other results of testing (heart, elbow, etc.) I did not hear about any of this until after the fact. And the only people who ever have anything in the line of gossip to say about our shared information would be from your group, under your guidance. All over the discussion page some people have said this or that about TB being the ultimate authority on this breed. ShenandoahShilohs 22:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC) For those that are interested in health testing (which I do commend you for)- when she is 2 years old she will go through final hip x-rays/elbows/heart(already completed)/eyes(already completed)/thyroid/TLI testing--results will be public! Caly (GVx6 brCH G&Ts Calypso Sumr Brz Msn-Dxn, CGC, TT) was the dog we did not expect to get. I used this as a training opportunity to work thru this problem and we continued on. Jeff put that page up for educational reasons, all you people have done is to keep editing it in order to sell your puppies! On April 18th, the article was reverted to the original. http://www.shilohshepherds.com/buyersBeware/registyComparisons.htm What's so off-base about that? I ask this question because there is some debate (cost being one of them) in among the GSD breeding ranks. heart: OFA NormalSLH-CA123/14F/PI She took Best of Breed in the ISSDC National Shiloh Specialty at Brookville PA in May 2007. I know who you are,(this is delusional behavior) and am aware of the game you are trying to play in order to sell your unpapered (or fake "home" papered) puppies, that's your problem, but I can assure you of ONE thing!! THE TRUTH CAN BE FOUND ON http://www.shilohshepherds.info/siteMap.htm, Tina. http://www.shilohshepherds.com/letterToUKC.htm I think this article clearly shows the TRUE facts!! As by her own admission rather than back her claims with provable facts to dispute a posters claims, she contacts a posters employer in an attempt to cause him employment problems. It is all public and people can view what each "side: is proposing. And we really do the health testing, instead of just spouting hot air about it. There was only ONE entry that did not have a DQ tail, and that bitch was undersized. Her name changed to Calypso, we got the female we had been looking for since 2002, and the *Artie Boys* became *The Arties*. Many Wikipedians remove personal attacks on third parties on sight, and although this isn't policy it's often seen as an appropriate reaction to extreme personal abuse. Why don't you take a look at those pics yourself, there is a link to the report on our NEWS page!! If you are personally attacked, you should ask the attacker to stop and note this policy. A mediator will work with the parties involved to reach agreement on the content of the article. ISSR LICENSED BREEDERS DO CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE PRODUCING & HOW THIS WILL EFFECT ALL FUTURE GENERATIONS! so let's not use this page to play silly games OK? ______________________________________________________________________________, Please see my responses above (in italics)M. Dfy. Well the link queen is at it again. has attained a minimum of 3 verifiable OFA certificates recorded in their health* database and/or. These smaller registries formed because the breeders could not get along with each other after the ISSDC's registry was closed, not because they had just recently ended their association with Tina M. Barber or had recently been breeding within the ISSR. Show pertinent un-biased links, or none at all. !I have read Dr. Padgett, and may I also suggest that you might gain additional valuable insight about genetics (forgive me, if you are a geneticist, I'm sure you are already very familiar with these authors/publications)by reading the writings of M. Handel (the father of genetics), along with "From DNA to Diversity: Molecular Genetics and the Evolution of Animal Design" (this is a very basic exploration of genetics and should be very easy for all non-professionals interested in genetics to understand), and, of course The Journal of Animal Breeding and Genetics (another great resource re: canine genetics). ::Judy writes: To this I must say that the ISSR has dropped their DNA program years ago. THIS IS A FACT!! If so, could you please point me to it? It is not collected for a gossip tool, it is collected to provide us with important information that will enable us to produce better dogs! MAW Gen: 5-5G. I have just posted a revised and very neutral artcile about the Shiloh Shepherd Breed. If TB's going to claim that non-ISSR Shiloh Shepherds are mutts with no data to back them up, then let her prove that she does it herself. Rebel, my male, I received from the Barbers in Febuary of 2004 to train as a mobility support/retrieve service dog. While not "show" picture quality, they do illustrate the disqualifying fault. 1. Someone (post unsigned) noted that in stating the ISSDC had free membership, that it was only for its first year (which is now ending). color: black/red plush I've just spent 30 minutes going through the history of this article. http://www.shilohshepherds.info/breedingGenetics.htm. With the close of the ISSDC's registry, various smaller registries were formed from what remained. Any dog which is not properly ISSR registered shall not be referred to by Defendants verbally or in writing, as a Shiloh Shepherd dog, or any variance or imitation of the name Shiloh Shepherd. _________________________________________________________________________________ ), Community spirit If they choose to breed that dog they can also order LMI & PER data on the "partners" they are considering what they can't do is to snoop around, looking for info about other peoples dogs, so that they can utilize this information to gossip about other breeders or create a major brouhaha for the owners of those dogs. I highly doubt that any of the unbiased Wikipedia visitors, that may have read these pages, are impressed! Deletion of self created discussion items were removed as I will no longer participate in this article. This too is a fact!! Karen, just because no one commented does not mean anyone agrees. Miles Dfy. The trash talk that has gone on on this page and the edits that have been made to the Shiloh Shepherd Dog article are an embarrassment to these dogs and to any reasonable person. There are always veriables. Breed Founder If you bothered to investigate how many puppies this dog produced, and calculated this data against how many of them passed/failed that information would be a lot more reliable! 2. (a) Only dogs duly and actively registered within the ISSR may be referred to as Shiloh Shepherd dogs. We have lots of info in our Learning Center, or they can just go out & buy my new book;-) I agree that we all need to come to a consensus about the article. Your comments are rude and very near to something that could result in a law suit. 205.188.116.136 20:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]. So, please advise, where can I find that information? Hi Tony, We have well over 1,000 members and always welcome newbies that WANT to learn more about our breed! http://www.shilohshepherds.info/siteMapHealthSurvey.htm and clearly shows that as giant breeds go, the Shiloh is arguably quite a healthy example. Remember that disputes on talk pages are accessible to everyone on the Internet. The breed now has multiple self proclaimed registries, including The Shiloh Shepherd Registry (TSSR), the National Shiloh Breeders Registry (NSBR), the Shiloh Shepherd Breed Association (SSBA) all falling under The International Shiloh Shepherd Dog Club. This change was made by Shiloh Lover (Bold Canines, a non-ISSR breeder.). If nothing more, could you please just answer this one question? Also, since Tina Barber claims to have 4000 Shilohs in her data base, can you share how many of them are 5 Star members of your program? If not or if you refuse to respond to this reasonable, respectful request, aren't you risking your credibility, since I cannot understand you having this information but being unwilling to share it with those who are supporting you in the Shiloh world. Shiloh Shepherd http://shilohshepherds.info/ (In essence, TB, you could be blocked pending whatever the Wiki arbitrators determine. There are nice little write ups on each of these dogs, but of course no health testing info. Many have heard your master tell you what pictures to take, and which ones not to take. Expertise in dog breeding can be claimed by anyone, however, in order for it to be legitimate, it must be measured,compared, and authenticated through independent objective verification methods in order to be truly valid (hence, the credibility of OFA, Penn-Hip, etc.). Assuming that anyone willing to pay the prices these dogs are being sold for, would want Thanks for any help you can offer. You may be able to convince some of your followers that this is truth until they actually come to a few shows and see that your reports are distorted, or enter these shows and get beat. These registries follow strict health testing that can be documented. Trillhill 00:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply], While your Gold Star program appears to be a wonderful program, it is not MANDATORY as claimed by Tina Barber in her edit of the article per your own rules. If you do, please advise, where can I find that information? It didn't take Max V S anywhere near that long to create the GSD, and the Shiloh is, just as Barber claims, the GSD of old''''''''''.ShenandoahShilohs 03:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply], THIS JUST SHOWS TO PROVE HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW ABOUT GENETICS!! ::Judy writes: Ms Barber! We've got some beautiful, healthy dogs out there being bred and winning in all the shows. Thank you. Between Dec. 6th and 8th the page was changed at least 18 times! If you had it would show the real you and the fact that you ONLY take pictures of some dogs to distort your infamous reports. This is a blatant lie as proven from the ISSR web site stating their breeding rules. I am sure the TSSR and SSBA feel the same. Also, why not take a look at a number of the ISSR dogs and their faults. Since I, 1. had never changed the Shiloh Shepherd Dog article to state this It's confusing to read the debate otherwise as you have to look at the history in order to see who actually posted what. Tina Barber has made all sorts of claims and negative comments about non ISSR dogs being faulty, undersized, or just not looking like what a Shiloh should look like per the Breed Standard. I base my decision to work with them based on their response. As I previously posted we have asked Wikipedia to aide in mediation of this article. Is there something to hide that continuing to prove DNA parent verification whould show? ShenandoahShilohs 16:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]. PLEASE READ http://www.shilohshepherds.info/siteMap2005HistoryShilohShepherd.htm. What's so off-base about that? I added a {{dispute}} tag to this article, as there is clearly a dispute between two groups over the facts about this dog. ISSR breeders breed under Tina Barbers guidance. Which means Tina Barber is still in control of where this breed is going. It is not collected for a gossip tool, it is collected to provide us with important information that will enable us to produce better dogs!My questions are these: If all information is gathered maintained and disseminated by the very people selling these dogs to us, without any "outside" verification, how do I know if this information is accurate and valid or being interpreted correctly?

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